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Posted on Oct 21, 2008 at 08:31 AM
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Posted 10.22.08
I cannot believe as a christian you would say that Obama is a christian. A christian is to be christlike. When Obama is asked whether he supports abortion he says that it is above his pay grade. When the Bible clearly states that as christians we should speak against the evil in this world. You sound like an educated women but I believe you are blinded. I also feel that McCain has faults but on the account metioned above he stands tall and says he believes that a baby is a person at the point of conception. Yes I believe that niether are the greatest men of character and I pray for change in this world but you have to look at what the Bible defines as a christian before you label a man one or not.
Posted 10.22.08
I must edit this comment as I used a medical term that is deemed unacceptable. I apologize.
I have to agree with the other commenter. You are well spoken and intelligent. However, I can't help but wonder how you can consider any man who would vote against a ban on partial birth abortion (the most heinous form of abortion that most pro-abortionists actually disagree with) a Christian
When questioned about that in the third debate, Obama was smooth. He played the fear card of the uneducated for certain stating that there was no provision for threat to the life or health of the mother. Prior to Roe v Wade, every state had initiatives for these reasons. That is a non-argument. Pro-lifers understand that if the mother dies so does the baby. Taking it a step further, by third trimester the greatest risk to the mother is birth canal delivery. In these cases, a planned caesarian is chosen by a woman and her doctor. Partial birth abortion is still a birth canal delivery and still an equal threat to a high risk mother.
God's view on abortion is clear: it is wrong. Read the book of Amos, and of course the psalmist said "Before I knit you in your mother's womb, I knew you." The unborn are the least of these...and what has Obama done to them? Well, he's done it unto Christ.
Posted 10.22.08
I agree with your first 4 paragraphs and they were dead on. Beyond that I see many,many holes in what you said such as both Christian men, but when Rick Warren asked both candidates when does life begin, Obama said it was above his pay grade. We should know the Bible and defend it and God's word is very clear about life when God said, "I knew you before you were formed in the womb". Only the Lord knows what is in a Man's Heart, but the Ultra-Liberal voting record by Obama on Abortion, Planned Parenthood support and other social issues raises doubt about his understanding of the Word.
Since both candidates have slung mud at each other no one can hardly say that McCain is running a Campaign on Hate. That is just the Media and Hollywood using words to Demonize McCain because they want him to lose.
Also, your comment about Hope. It has been said that if you feed a man fish he eats for a day, but if you teach him how to fish he eats for life. Obama's policies are nothing more than further Socialist-leaning policies worse than his own Liberal Democrats. Poverty will not be solved by Handouts, but by Hand Ups. The 10 cities in America that have the highest poverty rates have been run by Liberal Democrats for decades. Check it out here. http://smithfiles.com/2008/04/17/top-10-poorest-cities-in-usa/
Barrack has not passed any test on a National or International level. He has voted PRESENT over 120 times as a Senator and has the most Liberal voting record in the Senate.
There is no Hope with turning our country into a Socialist State.
Posted 10.22.08
Marshawn,
No doubt you are making a great point. Too many people are looking at this election and pointing to the presidential candidates as some type of saviors. Which, we all know that only ONE has ever been able to fill those shoes.
I agree with you: I do not question Obama's faith... as I think many of the other people commenting below do. But there are a couple of questions that people are bringing up that should be taken into consideration when voting your morals and faith:
1. Abortion- Obama is pro-choice.... where is the hope there?
2. Civil Unions- Don't you feel like this is a slippery slope? If we allow gay marriages, what stops us from allowing 3 people from getting married? I mean, if we don't impose our morals at some point when does it get out of hand?
Although I don't believe that either one of those would sway my vote entirely, they are important things to take into consideration when you are basing your vote on hope.
Posted 10.22.08
While I am not one who believes a baby is a person at conception, it seems like it has to be obvious to any intelligent person, no matter their paygrade, that it is a person very soon afterwards. To limit abortion at some point in a pregnancy seems common sense, to not do so seems monstrous. Barack Obama supports abortion throughout the whole term, including even partial birth abortion. And what is worse than that is that he even opposed the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act which would have given rights to babies who survived a failed abortion, such as famous speaker Gianna Jensen. That a person could take a fully formed, suffering, wriggling baby and deliberately allow it to die is ,to me, incomprehensible. I do not understand how a person could be a Christian and be okay with that. But at one point in our nation's history there were Christians who thought it was okay to have slaves, treat them like animals rape them, seperate their families, and beat them bloody from time to time. After all they weren't persons either.
Posted 10.22.08
I appreciate that you take Matt 25:45 seriously, but don't you realize it is given to individuals, not nations? God rewards me based on what I do for "the least of these". He does not reward me for passing laws that forcefully take your money (you are after all a lawyer who makes much more than I do) to give it to them. And if you do view it as Christ's mandate to nations as well then I have to ask you who on Earth could possibly qualify as "the least of these" more than a helpless infant?
Posted 10.22.08
I am sorry but I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you. While there is lots of "talk" of which one or both that are "christians" I find it hard to beleive that anyone who calls on the name of Christ can also beleive that Life is not created and begins at conception or even before that if the Word is to beleive "I knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb". The womb is a sacred place and should be protected above all personal ambition etc. Obama has stated without a doubt that one of his first acts as president would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act into a law. Have you read this peice of legislation???!! It is a atrosity of the worst kind, totally against the protection of innocent life. If you are going by the "Book" then you better read the accounts of those groups of people who chose to sacrifice their children in the name of Baal and other idols. We are on the verge of destruction in this country and we have ourselves to thank for it. Our inability to confront and stand on the word has allowed our country to become what it is today.
If you truly beleive the word you have to choose life over all the other issues, without a choice for life we choose the death of all we hold sacred. May God have mercy on us!!
Posted 10.22.08
Sorry it's so messy. When I wrote it, all of those strange symbols weren't there.
Posted 10.22.08
To me it is absolutely clear that Barack Obama certainly behaves more like a Christian than does anybody on the McCain camp side!
Let me explain:
The lies, distortions and fear tactics that the McCain/Palin campaign have been using for the past months amount to nothing less than an immoral attempt at character assassination. This flies in the face of the 10 Commandments (especially "Thou shalt bear no false witness"!) and shows that the Christian stance of both Sen. McCain and Ms. Palin is flawed at best, hypocritical at worst.
The Obama campaign on the contrary has run one of the most inclusive campaigns in the history of this country and - while hitting back with even measure - has risen above the fray and never resorted to tearing down the character of either Palin or McCain.
Now to abortion: The Republicans would have us believe that they are anti-abortion. Yet for 35 years have done little to nothing to reverse Roe v. Wade. It's a campaign issue, hardly more.
Of the two candidate, Barack Obama is arguably the more pro-life candidate if you look at it from a broader perspective: His program is the only one to include serious and effective provisions to REDUCE abortion, including raising women's socioeconomic status, adoption laws, and preventive education.
The problem is not Roe v. Wade or FOCA, the problem will not simply go away by making abortion once again illegal! That's what the pundits would have us believe. Prior to Roe (1973) there were over 2 million ILLEGAL abortions taking place every year. That's a similar number we face today with the only difference that today those abortions are legal.
So on both accounts I find that Obama is not only also a Christian which some in this forum have incredibly doubted, but his policies in fact upon closer analysis are MORE Christian.
McCain/Palin want more tax cut for the rich while freezing spending on social aid programs. Mt 25 tells us that that approach is wrong!
So, please look behind the rhetoric and let's not be fooled anymore by the McCain campaign's outrageous politics of fear and hatred. In the precious name of God, tell them to stop the deception, as God is love and truth!
Posted 10.22.08
With all due respect, I feel that whatever Sen. McCain purports to believe (or actually does believe) is not the real point.
BY THEIR DEEDS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM!
Look at my more detailed comment below please for further information. But to claim that Barack Obama is a lesser Christian than John McCain flies in the face of closer analysis!
God bless!
Posted 10.22.08
Outrageous! Great points. I think everyone is hating on this blog as if the republicans have done anything to reverse Roe vs. Wade.
And, how come no one has brought up the civil union issue?
Posted 10.22.08
When have we become the judge of a mans heart? Only God alone knows what's in the heart of these two individuals. I am dead set against abortion, because I believe that life begins at conception. Now with that being said, there is no perfect individual on this earth. You cannot say that Mr. Obama is not a Christian, because only God knows his heart. I'm pretty sure that you do things that doesn't line up with the word of God (making bad judgements,sin in whatever form, etc...). Am I justified in saying that you're not a Christian? No!!! Even though Senator McCain stands tall on the issue of abortion (as you say) does that make him any better. Let's not just look at the abortion issue. Let's look at every issue. It's also not Christlike to sling mud, and tear someone down (in fornt of the world) just to get ahead. Remember that God Himself is not forcing us to serve Him. He gave us free-will. He didn't take that from us, but He made it clear in His Word that we will suffer the consequences or reap the benefits in the choice that we do make. Can someone answer this question for me?: If God gave us free-will, is it right for the government to take it away from us? READ CAREFULLY: I DO NOT SUPPORT ABORTION AND I NEVER WILL. I THINK THAT IT IS AN ABOMINATION, AND THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN A ROE-V-WADE. THAT IS SUCH A DISRESPECT FOR THE LIFE THAT GOD HAS ENABLED WOMEN TO CARRY. ABORTION IS A HORRIBLE THING!!! AN INNOCENT LIFE THAT DID NOT HAVE A SAY IN WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE CONCEIVED OR NOT!!! There is no contridiction in what I wrote, so please read carefully, and ponder. SELAH, SELAH, SELAH. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. (p.s.: I'm neither Repub. or Demo.)
Posted 10.22.08
When are we christians going to start acting like christians. As much as we would all like to stop abortion here in the US, it will continue on wheather it is legal or not.What we need is someone who can lead us out of poverty, the economy, IRAQ, and give us HOPE again.I am not a democrat or a republican I am a Christian who knows that things need to change here in America. I still believe in prayer and that Gods is in charge. So will see who becomes President but remeber God is in control not you. God bless America and the world of people who don't know God.
Posted 10.22.08
I guess that just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so is hate. In my estimation, Obama has been getting fair treatment. Negativity gets...
I guess that just as beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so is hate. In my estimation, Obama has been getting fair treatment. Negativity gets hurled from both sides in any political race whether the candidates condone it or not. In fact, Obama has received a lot of preferential treatment.
Well since you're a lawyer allow me to present a mini-rebuttal.
"Audacity of Hope" Obams's book:
*pg10 - I believe in evolution, scientific inquiry & global warming; I believe in free speech, whether politically correct or politically incorrect, and I am suspicious of using gov't to impose anybody's religious beliefs - including my own - on non-believers.
As a true Christian, what's missing here? Why didn't he say, I believe in evolution inconjunction with creation at least! Whose trying to use gov't to impose religious beliefs other than the athiest & secular progressive? We have every kind of filth you can think of spewing through various medias, yet say God, Jesus or Christ and a massive protest breaks out. So who is imposing what?
*pg 24 - I won't deny my preference for the story the Democrats tell nor my belief that the argument of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact.
So is he saying, moderates & conservatives are incapable of reason and the Bible isn't factual? I guess it's just man's interpretation. So let's talk facts:
Black Liberation Theology (Obama's church's creed of faith)
James Cones addressed this theology after Malcolm X proclaimed in the 1960's, Christianity is a white man's religion.
Christianity is a middle eastern Jewish religion. If we stick to God and the Bible, why do we have to worry about white men, Asian or another type. "Whom the Son sets free is free indeed."
Dr Robert A Morley states that black theology turns religion into sociology and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. While making statements against whites and Asians, it promotes a poor self-image among blacks, & describes the black man as a helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control. Black Theology calls for political liberation instead of s%!$#l salvation.
When,Tthe Word says, without faith its impossible to please God. No weapon formed against us shall prosper. I'm a joint-heir with Jesus & that the earth is the Lord's and the fullness there of. that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous.
*pg 98 - all of us are imperfect and can never act with the certainty that God is on our side.
I really beg to differ:
Haggai 2:4 yet now be strong, O Zerubbabel saith the Lord; and be strong, O Jeshua son of Josediah the High Priest; and be strong all ye people of the land saith the Lord , and work: for I am with you saith the Lord of hosts:
Psa 37:23 the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord; and he delighteth in his way.
So I guess Obama isn't a spirit-filled Christian since he can't be certain God is on his side. Carnality is enmity to God. He needs to study his Bible and get into a good Word Church.
Obama claims he wants to run a bi-partisan administration when his book is so partisan. He speaks with fork tongue - he says "can we all get along" while he is slapping you upside the head with his good hand.
I'm still trying to figure out his hope and how it will effect the nation He should have named his book the Audacity of My Opportunity and hope you may find some benefits in it.
However, if he should win the election I will support him with my prayers and hope for the best and that the intensity of the job will drive him close to the Lord and he can start believing that God is on his side if he submits to God's will, that he can not only know God is there but hear from Him.
Posted 10.22.08
Marshawn,
When it comes to the presidency...
HOPE IS NOT A PLAN!
My the Holy Spirit speak to your conscience and give you the give of discernment.
Posted 10.22.08
I am a Christian in another country mentioned in this article, so I feel I have a right to post it to you all, as it includes my country as well. What is in this article, by the decendant of a prominant first settler of Manhattan in the 17th Century is spot on for this hour in America and I implore you all to go to this site and read it completely. This is the answer to your questions; not a man, God shall put in place, because He's in charge. We all have to answer to God, not just any Presidential candidate or President! Stop judging and start looking into your own hearts. Read the list of the sins of the church and repent of each one as I am doing and believe God for change to your own country, as all Christians, need to; we are the SALT OF THE EARTH!. No wonder the Moslems judge Christians! (I'm a sociology Uni student, so my research for assignments has opened me to many things, I would not have known before and now I have read this site). Believe me when I ask you to read this with an open heart before God.
http://bible-truths.com/towers.htm
Posted 10.22.08
Life begins at conception.
That statement is really simple and clean. Just four words, right - is has to be true.
Sadly,...
Life begins at conception.
That statement is really simple and clean. Just four words, right - is has to be true.
Sadly, it cannot be.
First, for a very basic reason: none of us celebrates our conception date. Most of us are thankfully unaware of the date and hour at which our parents copulated - resulting in our life here on this earth.
I certainly do not want to contemplate that too closely. If my parents ever ask me to celebrate "Conception Day" with them, I will quietly excuse myself and make a note to never return.
More importantly though, we do not celebrate conception day as many babies never make it to birth. This is for any number of reasons - and I will go over a few, shortly - but if we ever establish life as beginning at conception as the law of the land, then police will become very, very busy.
Because the first reason we do not establish conception as being when life began is that we do not know when it has occurred until after the fact. Sometimes, the female egg is fertilized by the male $@# too late in her cycle for the egg to implant in her uterine wall. Her body flushes these eggs out with her regular menstrual cycle and no one ever knows that the egg was fertilized. If we say that life begins at conception - however - then we have to make sure to prevent eggs from fertilizing so late in the cycle that they cannot be implanted. That will require much more hormone measurement than usually takes place before couples decide to copulate. And what if they go ahead without any planning? The only way we will know if they have committed the crime of creating life and then flushing it down the toilet is if we place sensors in tampons and maxi-pads and in our toilets - heck - we would have to capture and analyze the menstrual blood of every female, just to ensure that she was not discarding life. The record keeping on that alone would be immense and beyond intrusive.
Furthermore, women have miscarriages all of the time and if we establish law that says life begins at conception, then each miscarriage will have to be investigated to see if a crime took place or if it was just "nature". Legal precedent would require that we set not just guidelines for what women can and cannot do while pregnant, but establish that if a woman does anything on the banned list that could have conceivably caused the miscarriage - then she must face a penalty. This is taking a life, right? There has to be penalties.
Finally, we would come to abortion - which we would have to disallow, even in the case of rape or incest. So now we would be forcing women to bear the children of their rapist, would we force her to raise them too? Would the state step in? Does the rapist still have parental rights? And how about in the case of incest? Could father's force their daughters to give birth to either a sister or a brother and a grandchild at the same time?
So with all of these difficulties, perhaps our simple statement was not so simple after all. Perhaps - it was not true.
So, lets look to the Bible, as our goal is to enforce God's Will - especially as it concerns something as sacred as life. Well, abortion is not mentioned in the New Testament, so we do not have teachings from Christ on this matter. If we turn to the Old Testament, we do see many passages that talk about bearing children and being fruitful, but only allusions to abortion. In Exodus, we see explicitly how God breathed life into Adam and that is reflect in many Rabbinical traditions that say a baby is alive when it can take its first breath - but that leads us down a path toward determining when a fetus is viable outside its mother's womb.
There is no explicit guidance to be found in the Bible as to when life begins. To introduce the law of man with a statement that "life begins at conception" would be incredibly intrusive (and I haven't even mentioned the agony of a coroner's inquest for a stillborn baby), so it behooves us not to follow the seemingly simple path that opened this essay.
Posted 10.22.08
Has anyone on here read Revelations this is not the time to be judging anyone. This is just the beginning of the end. Our Lord will come back to take us christians in the clouds and we will be safe, put your eyes on him and do not look away for he should be first in everything. Now as for Barak or McCain God knows whos next in line for President already so let him guide you on who you should vote for he will tell you WHO HE has already put there. God knows what is going to happen after the election, during there presidency and so on. Im so glad I have my Lord to take care of me during this horrible time here on earth I have him to lean on and to know that I am safe in his loving arms for he knows the plans he has for us (you, this nation, or whole world). Let God finish his plan and let us christians look to him as he would have us do for the guidance we so despartely need. God Bless America!!
Posted 10.23.08
As a Christians God tells us to look at the fruit, not just what they say.....The Republicans and Democrats have been pandering to the Christian voter for sometime....we have been like puppets....too lazy or trusting of others to actually do the research needed to show the fruit of these candidates......Both Mr Obama and Mr McCain have been linked to the Council on Foreign Relations opposite wings of the same bird.....not a good thing at all...a One World Government organization....go to youtube.com and do a Video search for CFR, Federal Reserve Bank, Bail Out, Freedom, Dr Chuck Baldwin, Patriot Act, NAU, Constitution, Bill of Rights, Freedom of Speech,RFID, V Chip,Katrina Guns, and that should get you going on an education of what is really going on in this country.....The one True Choice for Christians is Dr Chuck Baldwin....www.Baldwin08.com
God bless you and America....FaithAngel
Posted 10.25.08
In response to jericho4119, you obviously have put alot of thought into when life begins. It is not a political issue, it is a moral issue. Period!...
In response to jericho4119, you obviously have put alot of thought into when life begins. It is not a political issue, it is a moral issue. Period! You say life begins the day the baby is born? Ok, well was that baby alive the day before it was born? Sure! Ok, how about the day before that? See the point? There is life inside the womb. So how do you determine how far back to go to know whether or not it's alive? You can't say, 'take the baby out of the womb to determine if it is viable.' It is alive inside the only place it is the safest. If it were not alive it would not continue to grow and develop. Nothing without life continues to grow and develop! You speak of miscarriages as if they are meaningless. Obviously you have not ever suffered the loss of an unborn baby. A baby you put your hopes and dreams into having only to be disappointed. How can someone be disappointed in something that was never alive in the first place? It makes no sense. You can argue your point all you want with all the 'facts' you can dig up to back it, but it still does not make it right. Here is a link to 5 short video segments on the issue. Take a look, it might be of interest to you. :)http://www.onenewsnow.com/comewhatmay/default.aspx
Now as far as the election goes, it surprises me that Ms. Marshawn could say that she goes by the Bible to decide which 'Christian' man she will be voting for. Hmm, let's see here. Where does it say that God turns His head when it comes to killing unborn babies? Or where does it say that God smiles upon a man and a man or a woman and a woman coming together as one? Not in my Bible, sister. You can say that you can't just stand on those issues alone when it comes to voting someone into office. As a matter of fact, you can and you should. If this man doesn't hold the closest voice to yours as a Christian, then you better vote someone in office that does. How does a Christian have the most liberal voting record in the senate? How does a Christian think its OK to teach children as young as kindergarten about same s*x marriages? When did it become OK to go against the Word of God and do our own thing and still think we in the will of God? If it goes against His WORD, then it goes against His WILL! Let me share a good email I received and maybe it will shed some light on the subject:
"1. Jesus would not vote according to his "pocketbook." 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
2. Jesus is Pro Life. Jeremiah 1:5 Before you were formed in the body of your mother I had knowledge of you, and before your birth I made you holy...Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, suffer the little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
3. Jesus is not tolerant of the homo%!ual lifestyle. Romans 1:27-28 And in the same way the men gave up the natural use of the woman and were burning in their desire for one another, men doing shame with men, and getting in their bodies the right reward of their evil-doing. And because they had not the mind to keep God in their knowledge, God gave them up to an evil mind, to do those things which are not right...
4. Jesus would not vote for anyone who has interests in other religions besides Christianity. John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life.No one comes to the Father except through me.
5. Jesus is against welfare (the church should provide for people's needs). 2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
6. Jesus is pro Israel. Nehemiah 13:2 Because they did not give the children of Israel bread and water when they came to them, but got Balaam to put a curse on them: though the curse was turned into a blessing by our God. Genesis 12:2-3 I will make of you a great nation. I will bless you and make your name great. You will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you. All of the families of the earth will be blessed in you.
7. Jesus knows who really controls the economy. Matthew 6:31-34 So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear? For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
8. Jesus is not worried about social security or the stock market. Matthew 6:19-20 Do not store up for yourselves
treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy,and where thieves do not break in and steal.
It all comes down to this. We need God in America again. Our economy, our children, our marriages, etc. need healing.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."
We, as Christians, need to stop allowing people to tell us we can't speak the truth because we are being 'judgemental'. I am not your judge, but as brothers and sisters in Christ, we are here to hold each other accountable by Christ's standards and we are to do it out of love. Christ was not judgemental, but neither was He tolerant of sin. He spoke the truth in Love and it made many people, 'religious' and not, very angry. Just because we are Christians doesn't mean we can't be corrected. We need to pray that our eyes will be open and our ears will hear what God has to say because He doesn't give people two different standards to live by. American is in the mess it's in because the church is in the mess it's in. A house divided WILL not stand.
Posted 10.26.08
Marshawn,
You said, "I believe that Barack's vision represents Matthew 25:45, which states, "I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." For a country that has been given much, much is required. It is more than a mission, it is a mandate. I believe that he has been called for such a time as this."
Who is more a "least of these" than the unborn child or the "partially" born child.
Obama talks political double speak and wants to take America further into socialism. Socialism has not worked anywhere else why would we think it would work here. I am very disapointed that everyone is lining up for free handouts in their medical, education, welfare and almost any other concievable area. Wake up people!
I hear people complain they do not have enough to pay their mortgage, and while I am sure their are legitamate cases out there, a great many of them are still buying new TVs, cars and toys. And yet they complain that they can not afford health care. People used to use cash for everything. Now people do not use cash, in many cases at all. what is wrong with us that we can not see that we are in trouble because of what we do.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people only works if there is a good moral framework and solid ethical standards that drive us all forward. Our freedom is turning to anarchy.
I can not and will not vote for Barak. "Change" is not always good. and his change will be bad for America and unfortunately it seems that we will find out the hard way.
Posted 10.28.08
VK - You notion about Sen O voting for partial birth abortion in the manner that you are stating is a right wing political smear. Please go check out the entirety of the facts first. You will find that this is not the case in the manner that you described.
Thanks,
Aner
Posted 10.28.08
Where does the Bible state that babies that survived
abortion should be left to die in bio-hazards at hospitals. Senator Obama voted against giving these babies health care several times when he was in the Illinois State Senate. I suggest you view a you tube with a nurse Jill Stanek. I believe it is pretty clear in Jeremiah 1:5 how God views babies. The FIRST thing he wants to sign is the Freedom of Choice act which would make the abortion rate sky rocket including partial birth abortion. I have children that need to be protected and this country can not stay safe under Senator Obama. The college generation is following him around like he is the Messiah. My Messiah died on a cross. Government needs to stay out of our lives not get more involved in it. He has Marxist views. He wants to take my families hard earned money and spread it to people who don't work. Please get informed. He attended a church for 20 years which spewed hatred toward this country. You can not tell me he didn't know. He was only in the Senate 143 days before he began running for president. He could not be a District Manager of McDonalds with that experience. I pray the college generation will wake up before it is too late.
Posted 10.31.08
Let me ask each and every one of you a question. How will you vote? Do you believe that either of these men truly represent you? Let me be honest. I do not support either McCain or Obama fully. The only reason I would vote for McCain is because he picked a great VP and because he is less socialistic that Obama.
As Christians can you look at Jeremiah Wright, Obamas pastor for 20 years and say that he represents you? He taught Black Liberation Theology. He believes that the US government created AIDS to kill black people and that white America hates black people. Look him up. That is just one association. Look up Bill Ayers, this new association with Khaliti. His speaches on SPREADING THE WEALTH. That my friends is Marxism/Socialism.
As far as the abortion thing it is clear. Obama has said he wouldnt want his daughter punished with a baby, he voted 4 times against a bill that would give care to babies born of a botched abortion, and of course FOCA. Please if you want to debate lets be honest about the facts.
Posted 11.03.08
Go to www.rfalife.com click on extras from there choose media and downloads and listen to the message dated Oct 26th and titled Election Time Thoughts
Posted 11.03.08
Many words here. Romans 1:22 How would God vote?
Forget abortion. What about same #!$@ marriage? Romans 1:24-32
verse 25--who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshipped and served the creature (this is MAN) rather than the Creator
verse 27--...leaving the natural use of the woman...committing what is shameful...
verse 28--And even as they did not retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting
verse 29--being filled with all unrighteousness, @!#ual immorality...
the end of verse 32--not only do the same BUT ALSO APPROVE of those who practice them.
Because abortion is such a HOT BUTTON topic, I know we'd rather use our thoughts before God's but if
Psalm 139:13-16--if God is not saying we were a person in the womb, what do you think he was saying??
Really doesn't matter what you think, as WHAT DID GOD MEAN?
We'd all like to substitute our hope, wishes or desires; but we have to use GOD'S
Posted 11.04.08
Hope is in Jesus Christ. We are tolift him in every facet of our lives, conversations, relationships. As for abortion, life begins as Jerimiah 1:5 states. Folk that kill babies will face the consequeces for those choices...but it is their choice...Joshua was told to choose this day, who you will serve...the choice was life or death...and it still is...whether it is abortion, h o m o s e x u a l i t y, domestic abuse, pulpit p i m p s, drug addiction, greed, covetous finaciers...choose life...and life is centered around Christ and his word.
This economic crises is full of men with greed, corruption, deception, and covetousness at the base of their hearts whether they be republicans or democrats. Bush is a born again believer, by his words, and this country is in a mess under his watch. I am not aloof to the point of not knowing that there is spiritual wickedness in high places. Principalities, and powers, thrones and dominions...thus the need for prayer.
People are hurting and are sin sick. Evangelism is the key for us and no party affiliation is tied to that. Political leaders are among the lowest dregs of human society, according to a heavenly messenger who spoke to the prophet Daniel. And He sets them up, and He brings them down. God is in control of what goes on in the governments of men. This scathing indictment of political leaders comes from Daniels experiences in the court of Nebuchadrezzar, king of Babylon.
In Daniels vision this holy one said this, To the intent that the living may know that the most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomsoever He will, and sets up over it the basest of men. So, all of us who read this passage from the Bible have to either throw it away as some pipe dream of a mad Hebrew prophet 2600 years ago, or we must take it for what it says.The Creator God is involved in the political affairs of men. He is the One who really is ruling in the governments of men. He is the One who gives the political power to whomsoever He will. And God sets up the basest of men –those lowest on the Spiritual Scale.
If we believe this, it will forever change the way we look at politicians. We always knew they were slippery and hypocritical and will say or do anything to get elected. Finally, I’m reminded of that passage in Revelation about the future One World Government Leader, And the whole world wondered after the beast. This man is referred to by God as a beast.
I will pray for Bush, McCain, Bin Laden, Queen of England, Putin, Chavez, Castro, etc. I will pray for the just and the unjust, for God will judge the nations. He has shed his Grace on America, and every country under the sun. Thank God for his Son, Jesus Christ, The King of Kings.
Posted 11.04.08
I agree with RedeemedAR. I wish that Christians would stop confusing spiritual discernment with judging others. Today is election day. If you have not yet voted, PLEASE VOTE FOR LIFE. McCain/Palin'08.
Posted 11.05.08
This election to me was choosing the lesser of evils, and whether that was accomplished or not is a personal opinion. But we as christians have missed the whole point. Neither McCain nor Obama is going to save this country; we need to put our faith in God to save us, not a man. I don't know about you but I know that I CANNOT do anything without Him who gives me strength. Instead of arguing about who should have won the election it is time to start praying that God will use Obama to bless this nation. I know if God can take a sinner like me and make me see his love and mercy he can use this man to bless this country. It is our job as christians now to pray His will be done.
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